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Huh, tbh I didn’t even know that RBS could/were willing to transfer accounts to different branches. But as far as I know, the personal accounts at the Holts branch are just like any other, so there shouldn’t be any reason why you couldn’t manage your account from any other branch, unless they were looking at giving you an actual military account with them! We need @Seb to chime in here and take away our puzzlement.

I’d certainly be interested to know. If you do, be sure to let us know what it says when it arrives!

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Indeed you are correct, but they allocate you a personal financial manager I think, and they operate out of Farnborough anyway, well that’s where the bloke I spoke to on the phone was based.

It isn’t just military that Holts deal with either, they deal with ex FCO personnel too.

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Right, I see. That sounds like one of their specialised accounts (which comes with no personal relationship manager, even if you open it at Drummonds or Child & Co). I believe Holts has two different sort codes, one for the kind of thing you’re describing and another that allows you to open a plain old RBS Select account like any other branch. The same goes for Drummonds and Child & Co.

Yes, highly likely as you get a Squirrel debit card:

Yep, IIRC you need the special sort code to get the squirrel card. Unlike Child & Co where the non-private sort code will still get you the fancy card and cheque book. Confusingly, Drummonds seems to be a halfway house; the non-private sort code gets you a bog standard RBS debit card, but a fancy cheque book.

Nationwide’s current accounts (FlexAccounts) have always been run centrally, i.e. they only have four or five different sort codes, they’re not branch specific. They just create a new sort code when one gets full up.

Thirty odd years ago, when you could only open accounts in branch, you also got a branch specific account no. in the format: 08XX/612345678. They handed you (well, they did me, anyway) an ATM card over the counter (debit cards hadn’t been invented then) and this number was pre-printed on the card, -no name on it. The 08XX number was the branch code, the 6 indicated a FlexAccount, and the rest of the number was the account number on the cheque book.

Nationwide cheques have only ever given their HQ address; they’ve never shown a branch address. The only way to check for sure whether they’ve allocated you to a local branch is to download your PDF statement and check the address on it. Mine still show the branch where I opened my account (in about 1988), but new accounts might just show the HQ address. Let us know what you find. :slight_smile:

It used to matter 40 years ago as there were certain transactions that could only be undertaken by your “own” branch. It doesn’t matter in the slightest these days.

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Ok, I don’t do that often, but you pushed me over the edge :laughing:

So I went into the web portal, tried to log on using that stupid bloody card reader (albeit I was using my RBS issued one!) and I can’t access my online account because a box popped up stating Nationwide are having technical problems.

All that said, I don’t recall seeing on the statements I’ve seen previously, an allocated branch.

That’ll be it then, I have a FlexPlus account, so no branch allocation

Was that back in the bad old days when one had to sit in front of a stuffy bank manager drawing breaths on a Woodbine and blowing smoke rings in your face whilst telling you that you had no chance in hell of getting an overdraft? :rofl:

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Yes, all requests for credit of any sort would be referred to your local branch for a decision. I was with the old TSB back in 1980 and I had their Visa credit card (it was called a Trustcard, from the name Trustee Savings Bank) and I applied for a NatWest Access card. This was referred to the TSB for a reference and I got a letter from my local TSB branch asking me to go in and discuss it with the manager. When I went to see him he wanted to know why I wanted an Access card, and wasn’t the Trustcard good enough for me?! I had to explain that some shops only took Access, not Visa, -it wasn’t like today when all shops take everything, they were more picky back then.

My first ever bank account at 16, was with TSB. I was issued with a Speedbank card iirc.

Within 2 years, I had moved to Lloyds and I had an account with them for 20 odd years before taking a break from them and rejoining Lloyds a few years later.

These days, I’m happy to CASS if the offer is worth taking. That being said, I think unless Nationwide up their game tech wise, I’ll be sticking with Starling and RBS. I’m certainly not interested in banking with Spanish owned banks operating with a U.K. banking licence, so TSB will never be in the running for me ever again.

:thinking: why not?

Because I’m not. I don’t have to justify my reasons to anyone. Please take that in the polite tone it is meant to convey, not in the abrupt tone it appears to come across :ok_hand:

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And that Johnny is probably what I should have said in the first instance. I have to admit, I wasn’t expecting nor did I think someone would wish to then question me on why. I thought I was immune to naivety, but clearly I fell at the first hurdle there. But to make it clear, there was no ill will on my part to the responder.

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I have one of these… I literally only have it for 2 things

  1. The Child and Co Debit Card
  2. RBS offer a 3% savings account
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Happy to! Although I’m a bit late to the thread.

All sort codes do technically still relate to a “branch” in the system, in the sense that they all relate to a branch address. However, as far as I’m aware, Nationwide has never (and when I say never, I mean during my lifetime) used branch-based sort codes, they are all centrally allocated. This is the same as a branch-allocated sort code, except that the associated address is their Head Office in Swindon.

These days, since all banking processes actually take place on a banking mainframe backend, and credit lending is based almost entirely off algorithmic analysis of your account and personal data, it doesn’t matter if you attend your “home” branch or any other. A branch is simply another “channel” for interacting with the customers, like internet or phone, and nothing more than that. In the good old days, as others have said, your allocated branch would have been the home of your account and decisions would have been made locally at that branch - and your account would have been directly managed by that branch. Handelsbanken still have this approach, and so do select private banks like C Hoare & Co or Coutts. Mass market banks don’t, however.

Fintechs usually only use one sort code, which relates to the central office in the same style as Nationwide. Other traditional banks like RBS do still have “local” sort codes, but they don’t mean anything.

It is possible to transfer sort code, but you would also need a new account number as account numbers are allocated per sort code - so to simply port it across would potentially create a clash with another customer at the new sort code. I imagine that RBS were talking about a backend process which effectively would have “renunbered” your account so it came under Holts. You are also right that Holts is both Holts Military Banking and RBS Farnborough in the same building. Child & Co is the same - there is a sort code for RBS Fleet Street which creates bog standard customer cards and chequebooks.

If you are interested to see the address mapping of your “branch” you can always type a sort code into the Faster Payments Checker. It doesn’t tell you the full address, but does give the linked branch details.

I believe that Holts customers can also use any NatWest or RBS branch for basic cash or cheque transactions, but advice on specialised Holts products would have to be at the Farnborough branch or over the phone. However, I don’t believe you actually ever have to attend the branch in Farnborough unless you want to. You can speak to your relationship manager over the phone, and it doesn’t matter where they are.

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Do you have any more information on this? I’ve never heard of Holt’s dealing with ex FCO staff just ex military…

The blurb doesn’t specifically say ex FCO staff, but I’m sure you get the drift.

“We also provide Banking Services to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office Diplomatic Service and all British Military Defence Partner service personnel who serve alongside the British Military, based in the UK”.

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Fantastically explained as always, @Seb. Many thanks!

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I forgot to say that even the big banks all link whole sets of many sort codes back to processing centres, even if the illusion is maintained by still having branch sort codes.

RBS, for example, have a big Customer Service Centre at the following address: Chatham CSC, Waterside Court, Chatham Maritime, Kent, ME4 4RT. So the address of your branch is really there, even though the first line is the name of the branch which might be “11 Spring Street Manchester”. They have other processing centres in other areas: I think Bolton is another. Nowadays these large centres send out your statements, etc but back in the day I believe each branch did it all themselves, from their back office?

Nationwide also tend to use different sort codes for different products. Other banks sometimes do this (there may be an ISA sort code, for example) but most general banking products use the “local” sort code. As all Nationwide’s sortcodes are centralised, they go for a different sort code for each current account type and so on.

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Santander have never had branch based sort codes either.

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