Energy prices

Luckily just moved away from them - they returned my credit last week!

Sad more going bust but it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that a few more will follow.

And that well known Colorado Energy UK with just 15,000 customers. Excellent reviews on Trustpilot :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Pure Planet, just looked at their website, OFGEM gets a mention in their opening banner :thinking:

Government is going to end up with a monopoly at the current rate of bankrupting energy companies. We should bail them out already

Edit: To disclose, I have stakes in TotalEnergies SA, BP, Exxon, Linde

Not sure if any of those have stakes in UK energy firms

Sorry, going to have to do that ‘We’re going to have to agree to disagree’ thing again, the Government shouldn’t bail out any private energy companies. It’s a tough gig at the moment, but sadly, this is just the way it is for the foreseeable.

Oh, BP have/had a stake in Pure Planet…

If the government is forcing them to be unsustainable businesses (by not removing price caps, forcing them to go bust) then it should bail them out when the times are tough. All the government is doing by not doing that, is ensuring we have a less competitive market post-crisis.

It’s time to start investing in local nuclear power though, to avoid this kind of rubbish. Thorium Reactors could power our entire country alongside our domestic renewables, at a cost so little we could export it to Europe and undercut their energy to make the money we spend on it back.

And by bailing out these companies, who would pay for that exactly?

The people of the country who benefit from the price cap, which is now making them go bust. If you don’t like companies getting bail outs, don’t endorse the government making pro-consumer moves that can impact the market to a point where we will have single digit energy supplier count by December

And again, who is going to invest and pay for all of this? We’re trillions of pounds in debt with little prospect of repaying any of it within the next 50 years. Where’s all of this money going to come from?

Well the obvious answer is we issue bonds (or gilts) to pay for it, interest rates are stupidly low and the reactors only cost $700m or so. A Thorium Reactor would cost about 5m a year to run (vs Uranium’s 50m) and cannot ‘go nuclear’ due to that process also stopping any further reaction.

After that, we can export the energy to Europe to pay it all back.

Oh, of course, the U.K is Europe’s best friend at the moment. Of course they’ll buy energy from us.

I’ve got a better idea, let all of the world’s Governments just write off all of the outstanding debt and start again. Like that will ever happen.

Yes, of course they will. Russia is squeezing them to see NordStream approved, it’s costing a lot. We may not be on the best terms, but we’re on better terms than the Kremlin is

Are you so sure? I think it’s pretty much a given, that the EU bloc collectively hate the U.K’s guts at the moment, well that’s my perception anyway. But I digress, the energy market is clearly not in a good place at the moment. So what’s the suggestion? get rid of the price cap? Mmmm, let’s see how that would work. If people are unhappy about the cost of energy now, imagine how much people would be paying without the price cap, which of course OFGEM have control over and are expected to raise anyway, but not before quite a lot more companies have gone bust. Not a good situation is it?

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Government cover any costs that are over the price cap, uses government money to save the people without penalising industry for existing

Use taxpayers money…

Using taxpayer money to underwrite an unsustainable policy meant to only benefit the taxpayer… yes

If a government is going to cripple industry for the benefit of the taxpayer it should provide bailouts or should nationalise it

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-13/glencore-backed-u-k-gas-shipper-cng-is-exiting-wholesale-market

It would be interesting to see the a list of the domestic utility companies that CNG supply.

And this from Omni Energy, predicted to be the next to fall:

Omni Energy switched unprofitable customers without express consent | Energy bills | The Guardian

Well another one bites the dust. Not even a household name, especially with only 9000 customers:

Daligas becomes latest energy supplier to crash amid ‘unprecedented conditions’ | Business News | Sky News

Received an email this morning explaining as my last energy supplier - Pure Planet - has ceased operations, my supply will be moved to Shell Energy.

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